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		By: 4 Valuable Skills Taught in Cosmetology Programs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] on working in someone else&#8217;s salon, you still have the potential to be your own boss as an independent contractor. You need to know how to run a business, even if it&#8217;s on a small [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on working in someone else&#8217;s salon, you still have the potential to be your own boss as an independent contractor. You need to know how to run a business, even if it&#8217;s on a small [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
		<link>https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-34944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2020 14:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-34857&quot;&gt;Norah Critzos&lt;/a&gt;.

It won&#039;t be better for you. That&#039;s unlawful misclassification. I recommend reading &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2012/08/independent-contractor-general-contractor-subcontractor-and-self-employed-defined-for-the-beauty-industry.html&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; to learn more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-34857">Norah Critzos</a>.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t be better for you. That&#8217;s unlawful misclassification. I recommend reading <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2012/08/independent-contractor-general-contractor-subcontractor-and-self-employed-defined-for-the-beauty-industry.html">this post</a> and <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html">this post</a> to learn more.</p>
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		By: Norah Critzos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norah Critzos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 19:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! Back story! We were told today that going forward we will be 1099 from commissioned w-2 employees.  I&#039;d like the pros and cons of this. We will still be commissioned and back bar (color, shampoo, keratins + $5 service fee)will still come out of our total before split. It&#039;s under the guise of &quot; it will be better for us because it&#039;s as if we will be owners&quot;..&quot; We can write off everything&quot;..With that being said do we now need owner license and managers lic? My question besides the miss classification is it booth rental? Paying the the other part of commission.....???? Help!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Back story! We were told today that going forward we will be 1099 from commissioned w-2 employees.  I&#8217;d like the pros and cons of this. We will still be commissioned and back bar (color, shampoo, keratins + $5 service fee)will still come out of our total before split. It&#8217;s under the guise of &#8221; it will be better for us because it&#8217;s as if we will be owners&#8221;..&#8221; We can write off everything&#8221;..With that being said do we now need owner license and managers lic? My question besides the miss classification is it booth rental? Paying the the other part of commission&#8230;..???? Help!</p>
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		By: Laura Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2020 04:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much, I will give her the information to contact you.]]></description>
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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-34652&quot;&gt;CajunLMT&lt;/a&gt;.

Normally, I try *real hard* not to work on nights or weekends, but this comment is killing me right now. I see this happen to far too many women who often don&#039;t have ill intentions but are sorely misled by people who have ZERO business consulting them. Tell your boss/friend that I&#039;m willing to speak with her for free about this. (&lt;a href=&quot;mailto: letstalk@thisuglybeautybusiness.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Email me here&lt;/a&gt; to set up a time.) She is absolutely being given the wrong information. 

The fact that the people she&#039;s speaking with are attorneys bears no relevance. Ask her, would she seek family law advice from a bankruptcy attorney? Or contract law advice from a real estate attorney? No, because that&#039;s a bit like going to a podiatrist for a cardiac issue, or a gastroenterologist for a mole removal, right? Law and medicine are both huge, complex fields. They&#039;re so large that it&#039;s impossible to master everything, so most professionals in those fields choose a specialty, or a few closely-related specialties. If she&#039;s not speaking to employment law attorneys, she isn&#039;t speaking to the right type of lawyer. I can guarantee that an employment law attorney would have a significantly different opinion about the advice she has been given. (I work routinely with employment law attorneys, so I know for a fact they&#039;d advise the exact opposite of what they&#039;re telling her to do.)

I would recommend that she ask for their qualifications and for the relevant statutes that back up their claim that what they&#039;re advising is legal. I would also recommend that she bring up the fact that attorneys who advise clients to break the law could have their license suspended--or they could end up disbarred entirely.

I&#039;ve provided a ton of links here, but I could also forward her state-specific information.

Anyways, when you approach her, reiterate that you&#039;re her friend, and you don&#039;t want her to end up on the nasty end of an IRS/DOL/state investigation. Let her know that for the last ten years, I&#039;ve worked with salon owners just like her who were misinformed by CPAs, attorneys, and &quot;consultants.&quot; Luckily, a good deal of these salon owners find me before the authorities find them (usually thanks to professionals like you who genuinely care about the people they work for), but many don&#039;t. Those salon owners only find me after they&#039;ve been reported. I&#039;ve seen women from the latter group lose literally everything, and it&#039;s absolutely gut-wrenching. 

There&#039;s too much on the line. She needs to seek outside opinions. I&#039;ll give her one for free if she wants it, but she should also seek out a local &lt;em&gt;employment law&lt;/em&gt; attorney as well. Like I said, I&#039;m willing to provide her with all the information she needs to verify my claims. Are they? If they aren&#039;t, she should really be questioning why. She should also be questioning why the IRS and FLSA directly contradict what these &quot;attorneys&quot; have been advising her to do.

Seriously. Tell her to contact me. I almost *never* give people time for free at this point in my career, but if I can stop her from making what could turn out to be the biggest mistake of her life, I&#039;m happy to do it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-34652">CajunLMT</a>.</p>
<p>Normally, I try *real hard* not to work on nights or weekends, but this comment is killing me right now. I see this happen to far too many women who often don&#8217;t have ill intentions but are sorely misled by people who have ZERO business consulting them. Tell your boss/friend that I&#8217;m willing to speak with her for free about this. (<a href="mailto: letstalk@thisuglybeautybusiness.com" rel="nofollow ugc">Email me here</a> to set up a time.) She is absolutely being given the wrong information. </p>
<p>The fact that the people she&#8217;s speaking with are attorneys bears no relevance. Ask her, would she seek family law advice from a bankruptcy attorney? Or contract law advice from a real estate attorney? No, because that&#8217;s a bit like going to a podiatrist for a cardiac issue, or a gastroenterologist for a mole removal, right? Law and medicine are both huge, complex fields. They&#8217;re so large that it&#8217;s impossible to master everything, so most professionals in those fields choose a specialty, or a few closely-related specialties. If she&#8217;s not speaking to employment law attorneys, she isn&#8217;t speaking to the right type of lawyer. I can guarantee that an employment law attorney would have a significantly different opinion about the advice she has been given. (I work routinely with employment law attorneys, so I know for a fact they&#8217;d advise the exact opposite of what they&#8217;re telling her to do.)</p>
<p>I would recommend that she ask for their qualifications and for the relevant statutes that back up their claim that what they&#8217;re advising is legal. I would also recommend that she bring up the fact that attorneys who advise clients to break the law could have their license suspended&#8211;or they could end up disbarred entirely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve provided a ton of links here, but I could also forward her state-specific information.</p>
<p>Anyways, when you approach her, reiterate that you&#8217;re her friend, and you don&#8217;t want her to end up on the nasty end of an IRS/DOL/state investigation. Let her know that for the last ten years, I&#8217;ve worked with salon owners just like her who were misinformed by CPAs, attorneys, and &#8220;consultants.&#8221; Luckily, a good deal of these salon owners find me before the authorities find them (usually thanks to professionals like you who genuinely care about the people they work for), but many don&#8217;t. Those salon owners only find me after they&#8217;ve been reported. I&#8217;ve seen women from the latter group lose literally everything, and it&#8217;s absolutely gut-wrenching. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s too much on the line. She needs to seek outside opinions. I&#8217;ll give her one for free if she wants it, but she should also seek out a local <em>employment law</em> attorney as well. Like I said, I&#8217;m willing to provide her with all the information she needs to verify my claims. Are they? If they aren&#8217;t, she should really be questioning why. She should also be questioning why the IRS and FLSA directly contradict what these &#8220;attorneys&#8221; have been advising her to do.</p>
<p>Seriously. Tell her to contact me. I almost *never* give people time for free at this point in my career, but if I can stop her from making what could turn out to be the biggest mistake of her life, I&#8217;m happy to do it.</p>
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		By: CajunLMT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 06:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a massage therapist at a salon/spa I am most definitely misclassified as an independent contractor when I in fact am an employee. The spa owner is new to this industry, in fact is still learning the in and outs. We are an Aveda spa. So there are rules to follow and meetings we are expected to attend etc. I’ve brought this up before with the owner about misclassified status, the response was that the CPA said that it could be done either way meaning either giving a W-2 or 1099 I told said that was inaccurate but could tell I was getting nowhere so I dropped it. Well fast forward a year the owner attended a management convention put on by Neill Corp and ended up having the head of Neill put them in contact with consultants. I was told some new policies would be implemented and I said I wouldn’t abide by them because it went against my practice act in regards to client intake and reviewing medical history, basically that I wouldn’t no longer be allowed to view that information only given my soap note. Was told the consultants instructed them to implement this, and also that they were told that as a small new business they had to classify us a independent contractors also that we would be signing new contracts with non-solicitation  and non-compete policies, also they have been blocking out the total service sales on our check stub. We have a right to view that to make sure our check is correct. We can still view it through our scheduling app but when I brought it up that we could do that she seemed like she wasn’t aware that we were able to do so I said that they couldn’t hide that from us. I questioned all this as I’ve been in this industry 10 years and told her she needed to research this for herself cause I felt she was being given the wrong information. She told me that the consultants she was speaking to were lawyers that work with salons and spas all across our area that is why she chose them cause they know our state laws. My question is if they are lawyers why are they basically setting her up for legal trouble by telling her she has is classified right as well as telling her she can treat independent contractors as employees, we live in a small town, me signing a non-compete policy means that I would be unable to support my family if I chose to work elsewhere within a certain mile radius for 2 years. I stated I would never sign that. While I won’t report her myself for the misclassification because she is a friend and is just really being misled, how would I go about making her see what these “lawyers” are telling her to do is in fact breaking the law. And that misclassifying us can cost her because they have put up everything to buy this business. She is convinced I’m the one that is misinformed because these consultants are lawyers referred to her by Neill Corp so they no what they are doing and are know the law. I mean if the irs would do that 20 point test it would be determined she misclassified several employees as independent contractors. IRS penalty is $500 for each 1099 that should have been a W-2 as well as being responsible for all back taxes that she never paid on each of those 1099s she would lose everything. How should I help my friend/boss?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a massage therapist at a salon/spa I am most definitely misclassified as an independent contractor when I in fact am an employee. The spa owner is new to this industry, in fact is still learning the in and outs. We are an Aveda spa. So there are rules to follow and meetings we are expected to attend etc. I’ve brought this up before with the owner about misclassified status, the response was that the CPA said that it could be done either way meaning either giving a W-2 or 1099 I told said that was inaccurate but could tell I was getting nowhere so I dropped it. Well fast forward a year the owner attended a management convention put on by Neill Corp and ended up having the head of Neill put them in contact with consultants. I was told some new policies would be implemented and I said I wouldn’t abide by them because it went against my practice act in regards to client intake and reviewing medical history, basically that I wouldn’t no longer be allowed to view that information only given my soap note. Was told the consultants instructed them to implement this, and also that they were told that as a small new business they had to classify us a independent contractors also that we would be signing new contracts with non-solicitation  and non-compete policies, also they have been blocking out the total service sales on our check stub. We have a right to view that to make sure our check is correct. We can still view it through our scheduling app but when I brought it up that we could do that she seemed like she wasn’t aware that we were able to do so I said that they couldn’t hide that from us. I questioned all this as I’ve been in this industry 10 years and told her she needed to research this for herself cause I felt she was being given the wrong information. She told me that the consultants she was speaking to were lawyers that work with salons and spas all across our area that is why she chose them cause they know our state laws. My question is if they are lawyers why are they basically setting her up for legal trouble by telling her she has is classified right as well as telling her she can treat independent contractors as employees, we live in a small town, me signing a non-compete policy means that I would be unable to support my family if I chose to work elsewhere within a certain mile radius for 2 years. I stated I would never sign that. While I won’t report her myself for the misclassification because she is a friend and is just really being misled, how would I go about making her see what these “lawyers” are telling her to do is in fact breaking the law. And that misclassifying us can cost her because they have put up everything to buy this business. She is convinced I’m the one that is misinformed because these consultants are lawyers referred to her by Neill Corp so they no what they are doing and are know the law. I mean if the irs would do that 20 point test it would be determined she misclassified several employees as independent contractors. IRS penalty is $500 for each 1099 that should have been a W-2 as well as being responsible for all back taxes that she never paid on each of those 1099s she would lose everything. How should I help my friend/boss?</p>
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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2019 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-31617&quot;&gt;jeffrey smith&lt;/a&gt;.

In your situation, the IRS wouldn&#039;t come after you--they&#039;d come after the salon owners, but I find that prospect quite unlikely, given that you&#039;re clearly the primary beneficiary from the arrangement and have no complaints. You enjoy an extremely high degree of freedom. Aside from the fact that the salon owners are paying you like an employee, you appear to be independent in every way.

I&#039;m extremely cautious about worker classification, and while I&#039;m not an attorney, I feel strongly that you and the salon owners have little--if anything--to worry about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-31617">jeffrey smith</a>.</p>
<p>In your situation, the IRS wouldn&#8217;t come after you&#8211;they&#8217;d come after the salon owners, but I find that prospect quite unlikely, given that you&#8217;re clearly the primary beneficiary from the arrangement and have no complaints. You enjoy an extremely high degree of freedom. Aside from the fact that the salon owners are paying you like an employee, you appear to be independent in every way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m extremely cautious about worker classification, and while I&#8217;m not an attorney, I feel strongly that you and the salon owners have little&#8211;if anything&#8211;to worry about.</p>
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		By: jeffrey smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2019 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel I fall into a grey area as many do. i love the new salon I am currently working in but have had many discussions with other stylists at other salons.  I have my own LLC and carry my own cosmetology professional insurance. The salon where i work hired me for a specific time, 1 year to fill the gap they had for experienced stylist they were looking to hire.  I decided what days and times I can work and was not required to sign a non-compete agreement.  I can and do work somewhere else on other days.  I have a key that allows me to come and go during the times and days I choose when the owners or other stylists aren&#039;t there and choose a booth that is completely my own.  I use my own tools but they do provide the hair color and skin products as the ones they have are very much top shelf.  I work on commission, but had a choice to work as an employee.  As work was slow for the new salon they offered me 100% commission to start, tapering to 50% after 6 months. They market the salon and are willing  and have marketed me as much as I want them to and they have encouraged me to come to networking events to not only help them but to actively promote myself. My attire is not completely controlled, they just asked that I were casual business appropriate to the industry. They&#039;ve been very transparent and said they understood all the issues stylists face and that they were trying to in favor of the stylists and still keep their new salon above water.  Other stylists tell me I&#039;m still an employee but there seems to be a big difference between this salon and the ones my friends work at.

Where do I stand ? Can the IRS come after me ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel I fall into a grey area as many do. i love the new salon I am currently working in but have had many discussions with other stylists at other salons.  I have my own LLC and carry my own cosmetology professional insurance. The salon where i work hired me for a specific time, 1 year to fill the gap they had for experienced stylist they were looking to hire.  I decided what days and times I can work and was not required to sign a non-compete agreement.  I can and do work somewhere else on other days.  I have a key that allows me to come and go during the times and days I choose when the owners or other stylists aren&#8217;t there and choose a booth that is completely my own.  I use my own tools but they do provide the hair color and skin products as the ones they have are very much top shelf.  I work on commission, but had a choice to work as an employee.  As work was slow for the new salon they offered me 100% commission to start, tapering to 50% after 6 months. They market the salon and are willing  and have marketed me as much as I want them to and they have encouraged me to come to networking events to not only help them but to actively promote myself. My attire is not completely controlled, they just asked that I were casual business appropriate to the industry. They&#8217;ve been very transparent and said they understood all the issues stylists face and that they were trying to in favor of the stylists and still keep their new salon above water.  Other stylists tell me I&#8217;m still an employee but there seems to be a big difference between this salon and the ones my friends work at.</p>
<p>Where do I stand ? Can the IRS come after me ?</p>
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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-31455&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

Using the information found in this article and &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;, you should be able to determine whether or not your arrangement is legal. Typically, in a salon setting, if the business owner has control over the money and how it is distributed, you are not self-employed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html#comment-31455">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>Using the information found in this article and <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this one</a>, you should be able to determine whether or not your arrangement is legal. Typically, in a salon setting, if the business owner has control over the money and how it is distributed, you are not self-employed.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it legal to be an independent contractor and have your employer take 50% of your pay?]]></description>
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