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	Comments on: Washington State Legislators Introduce Bills to Strike Down Non-Competes for Beauty Workers	</title>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-5005&quot;&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt;.

Your situation is unique. I&#039;ve never seen a non-compete for beauty professionals upheld with so long a term and so wide a radius, which is why I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2013/01/employment-contracts-non-solicitation-clauses.html&quot;&gt;non-solicitation clauses and data theft clauses&lt;/a&gt; instead. They&#039;re more likely to be upheld and more appropriate for the salon. There&#039;s nothing unreasonable about keeping stylists from contacting and soliciting clients, or keeping them from stealing client databases. If those two clauses are present, it doesn&#039;t matter where they work upon separation of employment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-5005">Mike</a>.</p>
<p>Your situation is unique. I&#8217;ve never seen a non-compete for beauty professionals upheld with so long a term and so wide a radius, which is why I recommend <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2013/01/employment-contracts-non-solicitation-clauses.html">non-solicitation clauses and data theft clauses</a> instead. They&#8217;re more likely to be upheld and more appropriate for the salon. There&#8217;s nothing unreasonable about keeping stylists from contacting and soliciting clients, or keeping them from stealing client databases. If those two clauses are present, it doesn&#8217;t matter where they work upon separation of employment.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have non competes that protect our client list there emails and personal information etc.  it&#039;s iron clad.  When a new stylist is hired they write down their client list they came with and that&#039;s what they leave with upon termination or resignation of employment. We have a two year term and a 15 mile radius.  If a stylist leaves in a honest way and doesn&#039;t steal from our database we could care less where or what they do but when they maliciously steal what&#039;s not there&#039;s we take them to court and we have won both times and they had to shutdown there studios.  Is it worth it financially nope but based on principle and ethics absolutely it is.  Also per your other article .  Our pay system guarantees each stylist 8.05 an hour fl min wage plus there tips and or commission sliding scale starting at 40 to 50 percent plus 10 percent of product sales if they hit commission status they are then only figured commission on the profit of total service sales.  We Back out cost of chemical services. Example color etc.  it is broken down my the gram by the ounce etc... For that particular service.  Then there commission is figured out.  This is 100 percent legal.  In any sales job and let&#039;s be clear stylist are in sales and service only a busines that wants to lose money pays on the gross.  All or most commissioned sales jobs pay this way unless there getting salary plus commission.  I do everything in our salon according to the fair labor laws etc...bottom line these hair schools continue to steal these kids money painting a glamorous business that there going to make a great living in with very little effort and when they enter a salon 8/10 fail and are out of the business in less than a year.  I had an employee who started with nothing busted his ass and cleared 72k in his third year but the fact is with tips most make 12-15 the attitude of the average stylist sucks and thinks the owners take it all and lines there pockets.  Truth is the profit is extremely small for the work you put into it.  I&#039;m a good owner who care for our employees and who does everything to help them be successful .  But most want to sit back and collect free money on our dime with as little effort as possible.  Again most not all or let me be more specific the millennials !!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have non competes that protect our client list there emails and personal information etc.  it&#8217;s iron clad.  When a new stylist is hired they write down their client list they came with and that&#8217;s what they leave with upon termination or resignation of employment. We have a two year term and a 15 mile radius.  If a stylist leaves in a honest way and doesn&#8217;t steal from our database we could care less where or what they do but when they maliciously steal what&#8217;s not there&#8217;s we take them to court and we have won both times and they had to shutdown there studios.  Is it worth it financially nope but based on principle and ethics absolutely it is.  Also per your other article .  Our pay system guarantees each stylist 8.05 an hour fl min wage plus there tips and or commission sliding scale starting at 40 to 50 percent plus 10 percent of product sales if they hit commission status they are then only figured commission on the profit of total service sales.  We Back out cost of chemical services. Example color etc.  it is broken down my the gram by the ounce etc&#8230; For that particular service.  Then there commission is figured out.  This is 100 percent legal.  In any sales job and let&#8217;s be clear stylist are in sales and service only a busines that wants to lose money pays on the gross.  All or most commissioned sales jobs pay this way unless there getting salary plus commission.  I do everything in our salon according to the fair labor laws etc&#8230;bottom line these hair schools continue to steal these kids money painting a glamorous business that there going to make a great living in with very little effort and when they enter a salon 8/10 fail and are out of the business in less than a year.  I had an employee who started with nothing busted his ass and cleared 72k in his third year but the fact is with tips most make 12-15 the attitude of the average stylist sucks and thinks the owners take it all and lines there pockets.  Truth is the profit is extremely small for the work you put into it.  I&#8217;m a good owner who care for our employees and who does everything to help them be successful .  But most want to sit back and collect free money on our dime with as little effort as possible.  Again most not all or let me be more specific the millennials !!!!!</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
		<link>https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-1487</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 23:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-1483&quot;&gt;Michele C.&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;ll have to talk to an attorney about your specific situation. I&#039;m inclined to agree with you--the 30-mile radius is absurd. However, the first thing you&#039;ll be confronted with by opposing counsel is, &quot;If you thought the contract terms were unreasonable to begin with, why did you sign?&quot; If you come back with, &quot;Well, I didn&#039;t know what I was signing,&quot; they&#039;ll absolutely slaughter you. Ultimately, it&#039;s your responsibility to read your contracts and negotiate away anything you don&#039;t feel comfortable with. I think you stand a decent chance of having a judge determine the contract is unreasonable, but prepare to be thoroughly humiliated should you decide to bring it to court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-1483">Michele C.</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to talk to an attorney about your specific situation. I&#8217;m inclined to agree with you&#8211;the 30-mile radius is absurd. However, the first thing you&#8217;ll be confronted with by opposing counsel is, &#8220;If you thought the contract terms were unreasonable to begin with, why did you sign?&#8221; If you come back with, &#8220;Well, I didn&#8217;t know what I was signing,&#8221; they&#8217;ll absolutely slaughter you. Ultimately, it&#8217;s your responsibility to read your contracts and negotiate away anything you don&#8217;t feel comfortable with. I think you stand a decent chance of having a judge determine the contract is unreasonable, but prepare to be thoroughly humiliated should you decide to bring it to court.</p>
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		By: Michele C.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 13:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was ignorant, innocent and naïve when I signed a noncompete/non-solicitation with a massage practice. I had been a massage therapist in a different state for over 10 years and never heard of a noncompete so when I was asked to sign one, I just signed it.

 After working for the massage practice for 2 1/2 years, I&#039;ve decided to really embrace my entrepreneurial spirit and move 13 miles from the massage practice. Two days later, I received a cease and desist letter from the massage practice attorney. They are threatening to sue me for breach of contract. 

 The original contract that I signed said that I would not be a direct competition within 30 miles of their location or for Jonge deemed that too unreasonable that the distance would be 10 miles. I figured that 13 miles was more than fair and reasonable. 

Now I have been trapped to not feel safe to open a private practice 13 miles from the location &#038;  remain unemployed for the next year. 

Help.  I am located in Raleigh, North Carolina.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was ignorant, innocent and naïve when I signed a noncompete/non-solicitation with a massage practice. I had been a massage therapist in a different state for over 10 years and never heard of a noncompete so when I was asked to sign one, I just signed it.</p>
<p> After working for the massage practice for 2 1/2 years, I&#8217;ve decided to really embrace my entrepreneurial spirit and move 13 miles from the massage practice. Two days later, I received a cease and desist letter from the massage practice attorney. They are threatening to sue me for breach of contract. </p>
<p> The original contract that I signed said that I would not be a direct competition within 30 miles of their location or for Jonge deemed that too unreasonable that the distance would be 10 miles. I figured that 13 miles was more than fair and reasonable. </p>
<p>Now I have been trapped to not feel safe to open a private practice 13 miles from the location &amp;  remain unemployed for the next year. </p>
<p>Help.  I am located in Raleigh, North Carolina.</p>
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		By: Jill Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 03:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew a husband &#038; wife hairstylist couple who left a salon to go work at another just a few miles away. The owner took them to court over a non-compete agreement which stated they could not work within a 30 mile radius. 

The judge ruled in the couples favor because the contract was not enforceable &#038; this was way back in the 80&#039;s. I really don&#039;t know how the salon owner thought it could be enforced because this was a small town of a few thousand people that maybe spanned 3 miles wide. They&#039;d have had to drive thru 10 small towns &#038; vast amounts of countryside to reach a 30 mile radius.

Consequently when this same couple eventually opened their own 3 story day spa, they made sure it was a fun, hip &#038; happening place to work, with no non-compete contracts. People wanted to work there because it was a great environment &#038; they could thrive, not because they felt threatened or intimidated by the owners. 

You wonder why some owners can&#039;t grasp this concept?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a husband &amp; wife hairstylist couple who left a salon to go work at another just a few miles away. The owner took them to court over a non-compete agreement which stated they could not work within a 30 mile radius. </p>
<p>The judge ruled in the couples favor because the contract was not enforceable &amp; this was way back in the 80&#8217;s. I really don&#8217;t know how the salon owner thought it could be enforced because this was a small town of a few thousand people that maybe spanned 3 miles wide. They&#8217;d have had to drive thru 10 small towns &amp; vast amounts of countryside to reach a 30 mile radius.</p>
<p>Consequently when this same couple eventually opened their own 3 story day spa, they made sure it was a fun, hip &amp; happening place to work, with no non-compete contracts. People wanted to work there because it was a great environment &amp; they could thrive, not because they felt threatened or intimidated by the owners. </p>
<p>You wonder why some owners can&#8217;t grasp this concept?</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-1288&quot;&gt;Shelly Aab&lt;/a&gt;.

I get a lot of that too. We have laughs. Then, there are the employers who contact me. &quot;What can I do to keep her from contacting the clients?!&quot; Did she sign a non-solicitation? No? Then, well, nothing. I get sad for them, but only a little. Mostly I wish they&#039;d take their businesses more seriously and seek education and counsel before their shit hits their proverbial fan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2016/02/washington-state-legislators-introduce-bills-to-strike-down-non-competes-for-beauty-workers.html#comment-1288">Shelly Aab</a>.</p>
<p>I get a lot of that too. We have laughs. Then, there are the employers who contact me. &#8220;What can I do to keep her from contacting the clients?!&#8221; Did she sign a non-solicitation? No? Then, well, nothing. I get sad for them, but only a little. Mostly I wish they&#8217;d take their businesses more seriously and seek education and counsel before their shit hits their proverbial fan.</p>
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		By: Shelly Aab		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shelly Aab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love non-compete contracts. So many people, who I  have lost touch with, contact me after they leave salons because they are worried about the non-compete they signed.  We chat, we catch up, we talk about old times, and share many laughs. We do not have to spend a lot of time talking about the non-compete, because nine times out of ten a first year law student can tear through it like toilet paper... And even with that rare tenth case, when they might be holding a non-compete that appears bulletproof,  I get to assure them that the cost of litigation is so high their former employer probably can&#039;t afford to enforce it. There is a downside to these conversations... My old friends usually cannot stay on the phone too long, because they have to call all their clients, to inform them of their new location. Not one has left her clients behind, and not one signed a NSA so each was well within her rights to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love non-compete contracts. So many people, who I  have lost touch with, contact me after they leave salons because they are worried about the non-compete they signed.  We chat, we catch up, we talk about old times, and share many laughs. We do not have to spend a lot of time talking about the non-compete, because nine times out of ten a first year law student can tear through it like toilet paper&#8230; And even with that rare tenth case, when they might be holding a non-compete that appears bulletproof,  I get to assure them that the cost of litigation is so high their former employer probably can&#8217;t afford to enforce it. There is a downside to these conversations&#8230; My old friends usually cannot stay on the phone too long, because they have to call all their clients, to inform them of their new location. Not one has left her clients behind, and not one signed a NSA so each was well within her rights to do so.</p>
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