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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
		<link>https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-33430</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-33428&quot;&gt;Amanda&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Amanda! It actually is legal, acceptable, and appropriate to be compensated this way. The employer is obligated to meet or exceed the prevailing minimum wage for each hour you work, so technically, you are being compensated for hours you are idle. If you were to be given commission plus hourly, the employer would either give you a high base pay and a low commission (likely contingent upon performance) or vice versa.

The back bar fees are only permissible if a.) You were made aware that your compensation would be calculated from net sales (not gross), and b.) It comes out of the gross sale, not your paycheck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-33428">Amanda</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Amanda! It actually is legal, acceptable, and appropriate to be compensated this way. The employer is obligated to meet or exceed the prevailing minimum wage for each hour you work, so technically, you are being compensated for hours you are idle. If you were to be given commission plus hourly, the employer would either give you a high base pay and a low commission (likely contingent upon performance) or vice versa.</p>
<p>The back bar fees are only permissible if a.) You were made aware that your compensation would be calculated from net sales (not gross), and b.) It comes out of the gross sale, not your paycheck.</p>
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		By: Amanda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi! Quick question: I am an aesthetician employee at a spa in Oregon. My employer pays hourly vs tiered commission. Whichever is greater at each pay period. I do high dollar services and work part time. So of course no matter what, I am getting commission because my commission always is higher than what I would have been paid at minimum wage/hourly. My frustration is, knowing this, when I don’t have a client booked I am essentially “working for free” because I know I am not getting hourly base pay AND then my commission. It’s either or, not in addition too for the time I am not behind the chair servicing clients. From my perspective as an employee I feel legally she cannot require me to be at work for the times I don’t have a client, knowing darn well I won’t be compensated for that hour or 5 hours because of the high dollar services I perform.&lt;br /&gt;
Can you shed some light on if this is appropriate for my employer to pay me this away? She also takes a “back bar product cost” out of each service I do. Which as an employee I have never had an employer do this to me.&lt;br /&gt;
I make starting commission 30% on a tiered scale currently. Thank you for your time!&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Quick question: I am an aesthetician employee at a spa in Oregon. My employer pays hourly vs tiered commission. Whichever is greater at each pay period. I do high dollar services and work part time. So of course no matter what, I am getting commission because my commission always is higher than what I would have been paid at minimum wage/hourly. My frustration is, knowing this, when I don’t have a client booked I am essentially “working for free” because I know I am not getting hourly base pay AND then my commission. It’s either or, not in addition too for the time I am not behind the chair servicing clients. From my perspective as an employee I feel legally she cannot require me to be at work for the times I don’t have a client, knowing darn well I won’t be compensated for that hour or 5 hours because of the high dollar services I perform.<br />
Can you shed some light on if this is appropriate for my employer to pay me this away? She also takes a “back bar product cost” out of each service I do. Which as an employee I have never had an employer do this to me.<br />
I make starting commission 30% on a tiered scale currently. Thank you for your time!</p>
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		By: Tina Alberino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina Alberino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2019 12:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-28378&quot;&gt;Kirsten&lt;/a&gt;.

I feel their request is extremely inappropriate. It&#039;s all quid, not quo. What are they going to do for you in exchange for this &quot;freelance fee?&quot; Will they be booking the events through the salon, providing you with any supplies and staff support you may need, covering your travel costs, negotiating and collecting payment for you, and paying taxes on that income? Or are they just expecting you to pay them to work? What exactly are they bringing to the table other than a request for side revenue they have no right to even attempt to claim?

I understand you don&#039;t want to burn a bridge and that you love where you work, so I&#039;d recommend having a discussion about what you expect in exchange. They need to put up or shut up, and show a little respect to you while they&#039;re at it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-28378">Kirsten</a>.</p>
<p>I feel their request is extremely inappropriate. It&#8217;s all quid, not quo. What are they going to do for you in exchange for this &#8220;freelance fee?&#8221; Will they be booking the events through the salon, providing you with any supplies and staff support you may need, covering your travel costs, negotiating and collecting payment for you, and paying taxes on that income? Or are they just expecting you to pay them to work? What exactly are they bringing to the table other than a request for side revenue they have no right to even attempt to claim?</p>
<p>I understand you don&#8217;t want to burn a bridge and that you love where you work, so I&#8217;d recommend having a discussion about what you expect in exchange. They need to put up or shut up, and show a little respect to you while they&#8217;re at it.</p>
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		By: Kirsten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2019 03:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Tina!! You’re guides have been so helpful for me! I do have a question that maybe you could advise me on. I work at a commission only salon where I receive 45% weekly anything below 2,000 a week and up to 55% anything over 3,000 a week. I also brought this salon a ton of clients who followed me from my previous salon. I also have a couple high profile clients I’ve worked with for many years who have me out with them when they travel and do big award shows. My new salon (which I love and they treat me well) wants a freelance fee for these jobs that I travel and do. I feel violated as I’ve brought them many other clients and the clients I travel with have no connection to the salon. They don’t book me through the salon, I’ve been asked to do work for them privately as I have for almost 3 years now. I also understand that not being in the salon takes away potential money from them bc I’m not there making them money. I haven’t signed any contracts with them. But I also don’t want to burn a bridge. I really love working there. I don’t know what a normal fee would be or how it would work considering I would be paying them. Would I need to acquire their tax id for filing taxes? Pay them with checks or cash? I don’t want to pay taxes on the amount I would be paying them as it would be an expense for me and an income for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tina!! You’re guides have been so helpful for me! I do have a question that maybe you could advise me on. I work at a commission only salon where I receive 45% weekly anything below 2,000 a week and up to 55% anything over 3,000 a week. I also brought this salon a ton of clients who followed me from my previous salon. I also have a couple high profile clients I’ve worked with for many years who have me out with them when they travel and do big award shows. My new salon (which I love and they treat me well) wants a freelance fee for these jobs that I travel and do. I feel violated as I’ve brought them many other clients and the clients I travel with have no connection to the salon. They don’t book me through the salon, I’ve been asked to do work for them privately as I have for almost 3 years now. I also understand that not being in the salon takes away potential money from them bc I’m not there making them money. I haven’t signed any contracts with them. But I also don’t want to burn a bridge. I really love working there. I don’t know what a normal fee would be or how it would work considering I would be paying them. Would I need to acquire their tax id for filing taxes? Pay them with checks or cash? I don’t want to pay taxes on the amount I would be paying them as it would be an expense for me and an income for them.</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-9375&quot;&gt;April&lt;/a&gt;.

I recommend three things:
1.) be honest,
2.) be transparent (even if it&#039;s scary), and
3.) be positive (as much as possible).

I&#039;ve had to have these conversations a lot, and there&#039;s nothing scarier than telling a room full of employees you value and don&#039;t want to lose that you made a mistake and need to reduce their pay. There&#039;s no easy way to do it, but it has to be done, so prepare in advance for people to leave (because some likely will).

Start off by telling them how much you value them and their work. Then, let them know that you made a mistake. You wanted to be generous, but the compensation system isn&#039;t working out. At 50%, it&#039;s hard to make ends meet. It&#039;s even harder to secure benefits or grow the business. You can&#039;t invest in their education, jump on new technologies and techniques that could give them and the spa a competitive edge, and your ability to advertise is hamstrung, making it harder to draw in clients and keep everyone busy. 

Tell them you want to do more for them. You want to be able to give them access to affordable company health care plans, continuing education, paid time off, and other benefits most people in our industry never have the luxury of enjoying. They deserve the security that comes with a steady paycheck and a retirement savings. You deserve to see a profit for all your time and effort as well.

Tell them you plan to meet with each of them one-on-one to answer their questions and that by no means are you kicking them out immediately. If they want to work elsewhere, they&#039;re welcome to stay until the switch occurs and you&#039;ll happily serve as a reference for them--but the change IS happening and it IS NOT up for debate or negotiation.

If the compensation system is causing the salon to lose money, don&#039;t be afraid to show them that. Every salon has one mouthy professional who has never been in a salon owner&#039;s shoes but thinks she knows it all. If you anticipate that kind of reaction, you can either make it clear that you&#039;re delivering an announcement and not holding a debate session, or you can slap your financials on the table and literally force them to stand where you&#039;re standing. Ask them what they would do in your position. Compensation, by far, is the largest expense a salon owner incurs. When you&#039;ve done everything you can to keep operational overhead to a minimum, there&#039;s nowhere else to make cuts.

Personally, I&#039;m not afraid to let employees know they aren&#039;t worth 50% of gross sales. Even as owners, the vast majority of us aren&#039;t earning 50% of gross sales. (Like I said in the post--they&#039;ve invested nothing. They have no right to feel as if they deserve 50% of the salon&#039;s income, especially since they aren&#039;t paying any of the salon&#039;s bills.) 

The salon&#039;s needs come first--everything else comes after. That&#039;s the facts. If they would rather see your salon fail than be paid more appropriately for their positions and their performance, they aren&#039;t employees you want anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-9375">April</a>.</p>
<p>I recommend three things:<br />
1.) be honest,<br />
2.) be transparent (even if it&#8217;s scary), and<br />
3.) be positive (as much as possible).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to have these conversations a lot, and there&#8217;s nothing scarier than telling a room full of employees you value and don&#8217;t want to lose that you made a mistake and need to reduce their pay. There&#8217;s no easy way to do it, but it has to be done, so prepare in advance for people to leave (because some likely will).</p>
<p>Start off by telling them how much you value them and their work. Then, let them know that you made a mistake. You wanted to be generous, but the compensation system isn&#8217;t working out. At 50%, it&#8217;s hard to make ends meet. It&#8217;s even harder to secure benefits or grow the business. You can&#8217;t invest in their education, jump on new technologies and techniques that could give them and the spa a competitive edge, and your ability to advertise is hamstrung, making it harder to draw in clients and keep everyone busy. </p>
<p>Tell them you want to do more for them. You want to be able to give them access to affordable company health care plans, continuing education, paid time off, and other benefits most people in our industry never have the luxury of enjoying. They deserve the security that comes with a steady paycheck and a retirement savings. You deserve to see a profit for all your time and effort as well.</p>
<p>Tell them you plan to meet with each of them one-on-one to answer their questions and that by no means are you kicking them out immediately. If they want to work elsewhere, they&#8217;re welcome to stay until the switch occurs and you&#8217;ll happily serve as a reference for them&#8211;but the change IS happening and it IS NOT up for debate or negotiation.</p>
<p>If the compensation system is causing the salon to lose money, don&#8217;t be afraid to show them that. Every salon has one mouthy professional who has never been in a salon owner&#8217;s shoes but thinks she knows it all. If you anticipate that kind of reaction, you can either make it clear that you&#8217;re delivering an announcement and not holding a debate session, or you can slap your financials on the table and literally force them to stand where you&#8217;re standing. Ask them what they would do in your position. Compensation, by far, is the largest expense a salon owner incurs. When you&#8217;ve done everything you can to keep operational overhead to a minimum, there&#8217;s nowhere else to make cuts.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not afraid to let employees know they aren&#8217;t worth 50% of gross sales. Even as owners, the vast majority of us aren&#8217;t earning 50% of gross sales. (Like I said in the post&#8211;they&#8217;ve invested nothing. They have no right to feel as if they deserve 50% of the salon&#8217;s income, especially since they aren&#8217;t paying any of the salon&#8217;s bills.) </p>
<p>The salon&#8217;s needs come first&#8211;everything else comes after. That&#8217;s the facts. If they would rather see your salon fail than be paid more appropriately for their positions and their performance, they aren&#8217;t employees you want anyway.</p>
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		By: April		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 23:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Tina... I can&#039;t thank you enough for this article! I&#039;m a new spa owner located in St. Louis, MO. I&#039;ve only been open for a year + but it hasn&#039;t taken me long to realize that my 50% Commission-Only payment system isn&#039;t working well for the overall health of my business. I&#039;m looking to change this and I think that your formula would be just the thing. My biggest issue is how do I go about implementing this change with staff members that have been with me for a while? I will be hiring new people soon and they would start with this. I&#039;m sure that I&#039;ll have no issues there. But how would you suggest I go about presenting this change to those who have worked for me for a while? We have contractual agreements and I truly want to make sure that everyone still feels happy to come to work!... Thanks so much and I look forward to your response...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tina&#8230; I can&#8217;t thank you enough for this article! I&#8217;m a new spa owner located in St. Louis, MO. I&#8217;ve only been open for a year + but it hasn&#8217;t taken me long to realize that my 50% Commission-Only payment system isn&#8217;t working well for the overall health of my business. I&#8217;m looking to change this and I think that your formula would be just the thing. My biggest issue is how do I go about implementing this change with staff members that have been with me for a while? I will be hiring new people soon and they would start with this. I&#8217;m sure that I&#8217;ll have no issues there. But how would you suggest I go about presenting this change to those who have worked for me for a while? We have contractual agreements and I truly want to make sure that everyone still feels happy to come to work!&#8230; Thanks so much and I look forward to your response&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-9121&quot;&gt;Sarah&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL. No, that&#039;s definitely not right, especially in California. You should &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html&quot;&gt;read this post&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html&quot;&gt;this post.&lt;/a&gt; Then &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2013/04/improperly-classified-what-to-do-when-youre-being-misclassified-as-an-independent-contractor.html&quot;&gt;maybe read this one too&lt;/a&gt;.

Seriously. California is literally the very worst state to misclassify in. She can&#039;t make your employment contingent like that. That isn&#039;t how employment classification works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-9121">Sarah</a>.</p>
<p>LOL. No, that&#8217;s definitely not right, especially in California. You should <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html">read this post</a>, and <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/05/the-20-factor-irs-test-why-independent.html">this post.</a> Then <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2013/04/improperly-classified-what-to-do-when-youre-being-misclassified-as-an-independent-contractor.html">maybe read this one too</a>.</p>
<p>Seriously. California is literally the very worst state to misclassify in. She can&#8217;t make your employment contingent like that. That isn&#8217;t how employment classification works.</p>
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		By: Sarah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 21:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a stylist in California and I get paid comission only and I get a 1099. Is this ok? The owner says that once I have the experience and retention (6-12 months) I&#039;m going to get hourly plus commission and a W-2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a stylist in California and I get paid comission only and I get a 1099. Is this ok? The owner says that once I have the experience and retention (6-12 months) I&#8217;m going to get hourly plus commission and a W-2.</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-7752&quot;&gt;Alyssa&lt;/a&gt;.

Yikes. The commission split in lieu of actual rent is a terrible idea. (Five out of six IRS revenue rulings determined the salon landlords who received a percentage of gross sales in lieu of rent were actually employees and assessed back wages and penalties to the salon landlords.) Not only is it a terrible idea, it&#039;s not advantageous for you. Once you pay your federal self-employment tax (15.3% of your income) and your state self-employment tax (&lt;a href=&quot;http://info.sambrotman.com/blog/all-about-california-self-employment-tax&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s an article about that&lt;/a&gt; for those in California who are self-employed), that evaporates. Then you have supplies on top of that.

My advice is this: &lt;a href=&quot;https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html&quot;&gt;first, make sure you&#039;re actually self-employed&lt;/a&gt;. 99% of salon owners don&#039;t know how to use the classification and are doing things wrong (to your extreme disadvantage). Next, consider renting somewhere with a flat rate, or finding employment somewhere that does things legally (paying you an hourly rate plus a piece-rate for the services you perform--it&#039;s the only legal way to compensate stylists in CA aside from paying a flat hourly rate).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2014/02/why-commission-only-doesnt-work-for-anyone.html#comment-7752">Alyssa</a>.</p>
<p>Yikes. The commission split in lieu of actual rent is a terrible idea. (Five out of six IRS revenue rulings determined the salon landlords who received a percentage of gross sales in lieu of rent were actually employees and assessed back wages and penalties to the salon landlords.) Not only is it a terrible idea, it&#8217;s not advantageous for you. Once you pay your federal self-employment tax (15.3% of your income) and your state self-employment tax (<a href="http://info.sambrotman.com/blog/all-about-california-self-employment-tax" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s an article about that</a> for those in California who are self-employed), that evaporates. Then you have supplies on top of that.</p>
<p>My advice is this: <a href="https://thisuglybeautybusiness.com/2017/01/know-your-rights-in-salon-employee.html">first, make sure you&#8217;re actually self-employed</a>. 99% of salon owners don&#8217;t know how to use the classification and are doing things wrong (to your extreme disadvantage). Next, consider renting somewhere with a flat rate, or finding employment somewhere that does things legally (paying you an hourly rate plus a piece-rate for the services you perform&#8211;it&#8217;s the only legal way to compensate stylists in CA aside from paying a flat hourly rate).</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I currently work in a salon in CA. I like where I am it&#039;s pretty drama free and the owner is nice. I am getting 55% commission split. I am labeled as self employed idependant contractor. I am also supplying all of my own supplies including the furniture necessary to perform business. I make my own schedule within business hours. Is this legal? I am thinking of going out on my own maybe a small studio? To have to supply my own supplies on commission is killing me and making it almost impossible to keep up with continuing education. Do you have any advice for me?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently work in a salon in CA. I like where I am it&#8217;s pretty drama free and the owner is nice. I am getting 55% commission split. I am labeled as self employed idependant contractor. I am also supplying all of my own supplies including the furniture necessary to perform business. I make my own schedule within business hours. Is this legal? I am thinking of going out on my own maybe a small studio? To have to supply my own supplies on commission is killing me and making it almost impossible to keep up with continuing education. Do you have any advice for me?</p>
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